In Conversation

A Bilingual Q&A between Hayeon U and Jorge R. G. Sagastume, Editor
All questions by Jorge R. G. Sagastume; answers in both languages provided by Hayeon U.

ํ•œ๊ตญ์–ด

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์ž‘๊ฐ€๋‹˜์€ ์ž‘์—…์—์„œ โ€˜์–ด๋А ํ•œ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ์ด์— ๋จธ๋ฌด๋ฅด๋Š” ์ƒํƒœโ€™๋ฅผ ๊ทธ๋ฆฐ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ โ€˜์‚ฌ์ดโ€™๊ฐ€ ํ•œ ์ž‘ํ’ˆ์˜ ๋ถ„์œ„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์ž‘์—… ์ „์ฒด์˜ ์ฃผ์ œ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฒ˜์Œ ์•Œ์•„์ฐจ๋ฆฐ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์–ธ์ œ์˜€๋‚˜์š”?

2025๋…„ 7์›”, ์ฒซ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ „์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ž‘์—…์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๋•Œ ์ €๋Š” ์ฃผ์ œ๋ฅผ ๋จผ์ € ์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋Œ€์‹  ๊ทธ ์‹œ์ ์— ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฐ๊ฐ์— ๋งˆ์Œ์ด ๊ฐ€๋Š”์ง€์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ํ™”๋‚˜ ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์—์„œ ๊ณ„์† ๋ˆˆ๊ธธ์ด ๋จธ๋ฌด๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ชจ์œผ๊ณ , ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๊ฑธ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฌธ์žฅ์„ ์ ์–ด ๋‘ก๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ด๋ฏธ์ง€์™€ ๊ธ€๋“ค์„ ์„œ๋กœ ๊ฒน์ณ ๋ณด๋ฉด์„œ ๊ณตํ†ต๋œ ๋А๋‚Œ์„ ์ฐพ์œผ๋ ค ํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ ๊ฐ๊ฐ์„ ๊ณ„์† ์ƒ์ƒํ•˜๊ณ  ๋А๋ผ๋ ค ์• ์“ฐ๋ฉฐ ์ž‘์—…์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ž‘์—…์„ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ์ค‘๊ฐ„์ค‘๊ฐ„ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ์ •๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ธ€์„ ์“ฐ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ ๊ธ€์„ ์“ฐ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ข‡๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฐ๊ฐ์ด โ€˜์‚ฌ์ดโ€™๋ผ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด์™€ ๋งž๋‹ฟ์•„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•˜๋ฉด ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ํผ์ฆ ์กฐ๊ฐ์„ ์ฐพ์€ ๋А๋‚Œ์ด ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์–ด๋ ค์› ๋˜ ์ƒ๊ฐ๊ณผ ๊ฐ์ •์— ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ๋ถ™์—ฌ ์ค„ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.




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์ž‘๊ฐ€๋‹˜์€ ๊ฒฝ์˜ํ•™์„ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์—”ํ„ฐํ…Œ์ธ๋จผํŠธ ์—…๊ณ„์—์„œ ๋””์ž์ธ๊ณผ ์•จ๋ฒ” ์•„ํŠธ ์ž‘์—…์„ ํ•œ ๋’ค ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์ „์—… ํ™”๊ฐ€๋กœ ํ™œ๋™ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •์‹ ๋ฏธ์ˆ ๊ต์œก์„ ๋ฐ›์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์ด ๊ฒฝ๋กœ๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ์บ”๋ฒ„์Šค๋ฅผ ์“ฐ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์— ์–ด๋–ค ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ์ฃผ์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?

๋ฌด์—‡๋ณด๋‹ค ์ƒ‰์„ ์“ฐ๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋” ์ž์œ ๋กœ์›Œ์กŒ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฏธ์ˆ ๊ต์œก์—์„œ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ์ƒ‰์˜ ๊ด€๊ณ„๋‚˜ ์ด๋ก ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ์ƒ‰์„ ๊ณ ๋ฅด์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์ œ ๊ฐ์ •์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ์„ ํƒํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—, ์ƒ‰ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ด ๋” ์ž์œ ๋กญ๊ณ  ์ €๋งŒ์˜ ํŠน์ƒ‰์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.



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์ž‘๊ฐ€๋…ธํŠธ์—์„œ ์ž‘๊ฐ€๋‹˜์€ ์ธ๋ฌผ๋“ค์ด ๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ์—๋„, ๊ณต์ค‘์—๋„, ํ˜น์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ณต๊ฐ„์—๋„ ์˜จ์ „ํžˆ ์†ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž‘ํ’ˆ๋งˆ๋‹ค ์ธ๋ฌผ์—๊ฒŒ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋งŒํผ์˜ โ€˜๋•…โ€™์„ ํ—ˆ๋ฝํ•˜๊ณ  ์–ผ๋งˆ๋งŒํผ์„ ์ง€์›Œ ๋‚ผ์ง€๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋‚˜์š”?

์ €๋Š” ์ธ๋ฌผ์ด ์–ด๋””์— ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋•… ์œ„์— ์„œ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€, ํ•˜๋Š˜์ด๋‚˜ ๋ฐ”๋‹ค์— ๋ˆ„์›Œ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ณด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ์•Œ์ง€๋ชปํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉด ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณต๊ฐ„์„ ๋ฌผ๋ฆฌ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ๋งŒ ๋ณด์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์˜์‹์ด ํ™•์žฅ๋œ ๊ณณ์œผ๋กœ๋„ ๋ณด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋А๋ผ๋Š”๊ฐ€์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์—ฌ์ง„๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ธ๋ฌผ์—๊ฒŒ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋งŒํผ์˜ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์„ ์ค„์ง€ ์ •ํ•  ๋•Œ๋Š” ์บ”๋ฒ„์Šค ์•ˆ์˜ ๊ธด์žฅ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ธ๋ฌผ์„ ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ณต๊ฐ„๋“ค์ด ์„œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ธด์žฅ๊ฐ์„ ์ง€๋‹ˆ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋–ค ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•˜๊ณ  ์•ˆ์ •๋˜๊ฒŒ, ์–ด๋–ค ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ๋ถˆ์•ˆ์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐ•๋ ฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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์ž‘๊ฐ€๋‹˜์€ ์ด ๊ทธ๋ฆผ๋“ค ์† ์‹œ์„ ์„ ๊นจ์–ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์–ด๋””์—๋„ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋จธ๋ฌผ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์‹œ์„ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์„ค๋ช…ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์‹œ์„ ์€ ์ž‘๊ฐ€๋‹˜ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”, ์ธ๋ฌผ์˜ ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ž‘๊ฐ€๋‹˜๊ณผ ์ธ๋ฌผ ์‚ฌ์ด์—์„œ๋งŒ ์กด์žฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?

๊ทธ ์„ค๋ช…์€ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ ์† ์ธ๋ฌผ์˜ ์‹œ์„ ์„ ๋งํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‹œ์„ ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์ธ๋ฌผ์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๋Š” ์ €๋ฅผ ํฌํ•จํ•œ ๊ด€๋žŒ๊ฐ๋„ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ๋А๋‚Œ์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง€ํ–ฅํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ์„ ์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์–ด๋А ํ•œ ์ง€์ ์— ๊ณ ์ •๋˜๊ณ  ๊ณ ์ฐฉ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‹ซ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•œ ํ•œ ์ง€์ ์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๋Š” ์‹œ์„ ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š”, ์–ด๋””์—๋„ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋จธ๋ฌผ์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด์„œ๋„ ํ๋ฆฌ๋ฉ๋ฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€, ๋‚ด๋ฉด์—์„œ๋Š” ๊นจ์–ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹œ์„ ์„ ์ถ”๊ตฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.


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์ž‘๊ฐ€๋‹˜์€ ๋ถˆ์•ˆ์ •ํ•œ ์ƒํƒœ์— ๋จธ๋ฌด๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•ด๊ฒฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์˜คํžˆ๋ ค ์ž์‹ ์„ ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋Š” ํž˜์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹จ์ง€๋А๋‚€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋œ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์€ ์ž‘์—…์‹ค ์•ˆ์ด์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”, ๋ฐ–์ด์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?

์ง์ „ ์‹œ๋ฆฌ์ฆˆ Floating in Between์„ ์ž‘์—…ํ•˜๋˜ ๋ ๋ฌด๋ ต์— ๋“  ์ƒ๊ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์‹œ๋ฆฌ์ฆˆ๋ฅผ ์ž‘์—…ํ•  ๋•Œ๋Š” ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋„, ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ๊ฐ์ •๋„, ๋šœ๋ ทํ•œ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ๋„์—†์–ด์„œ ์–ด๋””๋กœ๋„ ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ ์ฑ„ ๋ถ€์œ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ƒํƒœ๋ฅผ ์ด์–ด ๊ฐ€๋ฉฐ ์ž‘์—…์„ ๊ณ„์†ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ์‹œ๋ฆฌ์ฆˆ์˜ ๋์—์„œ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•œ ๊ฐ๊ฐ์€ ๋ถ€์œ ํ•˜๋˜ ๋‘ ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋‚ด๋””๋ŽŒ ์–ด๋””๋กœ๋“  ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๋ฉˆ์ถฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์—์„œ ์•ˆ์ •๊ฐ์„ ๋” ๋А๋‚€๋‹ค๋Š”๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์•ž์œผ๋กœ๋„ ๋จธ๋ฌด๋ฅด๊ณ  ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜์—†์ด ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•˜๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ๋จธ๋ฌด๋ฅธ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฉˆ์ถฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋‚˜์•„๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ค€๋น„ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๋ผ๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž‘์—…์ด ํ’€๋ฆฌ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๋•Œ๋ฉด ์ž‘์—…์‹ค ๊ทผ์ฒ˜ ๊ณต์›์„ ๊ฑท๊ณค ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ์•„๋งˆ ๊ทธ๋•Œ ๋“  ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด์—ˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.




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The Thinking People์—์„œ Walking in Between, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Floating in Between์œผ๋กœ ์ด์–ด์ง€๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ โ€˜์‚ฌ์ด์˜ ์ƒํƒœโ€™๋ฅผ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์—๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์กŒ๋‚˜์š”? ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฐ๊ฐ์ด ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ณต๊ฐ„์œผ๋กœ ์˜ฎ๊ฒจ ๊ฐ„ ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ฐ๊ฐ ์ž์ฒด๊ฐ€ ๋ณ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?

์‹œ๋ฆฌ์ฆˆ๋งˆ๋‹ค โ€˜์‚ฌ์ดโ€™๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ๋Š” ์ฃผ์ œ์™€ ๋ฒ”์œ„๊ฐ€ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์กŒ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์‹œ๋ฆฌ์ฆˆ The Thinking People์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋‚ด๋ฉด์ ์ด๊ณ  ์ผ์ฐจ์›์ ์ธ ์˜๋ฏธ์˜ โ€˜์‚ฌ์ดโ€™๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์•ˆ์˜ ์ •๋ฆฌ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ๋“ค ์‚ฌ์ด์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋งŽ์ด ๊ณ ๋ฏผํ•˜๋˜ ์ง€์ ๋“ค์ด ์ฃผ์ œ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

โ€˜์‚ฌ์ดโ€™๋ผ๋Š” ์ฃผ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ฒ˜์Œ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋œ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์‹œ๋ฆฌ์ฆˆ Walking in Between์—์„œ๋Š” ์ œ ๋‚ด๋ฉด์„ ๋„˜์–ด โ€˜๋‚˜์™€ ์™ธ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌ์ดโ€™๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž‘์—…์‹ค ์•ˆํŒŽ์—์„œ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„๊ณผ ์ธ๊ฐ„๊ด€๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์ฃผ๋œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Floating in Between์—์„œ๋Š” ์•ž์„  ์‹œ๋ฆฌ์ฆˆ์˜ ์ผ์ƒ์ ์ธ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋“ค์„ ์ง€๋‚˜ ์ž ์‹œ ๋ถ€์œ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ์ด์— ๋จธ๋ฌด๋ฅด๋Š” ์ƒํƒœ๋ฅผ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์—ฌ๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€์˜ ์ž‘์—…์—์„œ๋Š” โ€˜์‚ฌ์ดโ€™๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ณต๊ฐ„์˜ โ€˜๊ฒฝ๊ณ„โ€™๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์š”์ฆ˜ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ์‹ ์ž‘๋“ค์—์„œ๋Š” โ€˜์‚ฌ์ดโ€™๋ฅผ โ€˜๊ฒฝ๊ณ„โ€™๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ โ€˜์—ฐ๊ฒฐโ€™๋กœ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. โ€˜์‚ฌ์ดโ€™๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๋Š” ์‹œ์  ์ž์ฒด๊ฐ€ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์ง„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฌผ์ด ๋‚˜์˜ฌ์ง€ ์ € ์Šค์Šค๋กœ๋„ ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์ž‘์—…ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.




7.

์ž‘๊ฐ€๋‹˜์€ ์ด์ „ ์ž‘์—…์—์„œ ๊ฐ์ •์˜ ๊ท ์—ด๊ณผ ๊ด€๊ณ„ ์†์—์„œ ์ƒ๊ฒจ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ์„ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž‘๊ฐ€๋‹˜์—๊ฒŒ ํšŒํ™”๋Š” ๊ทธ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฉ”์šฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ธ๊ฐ€์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๊ทธ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋จธ๋ฌผ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?

์ €์—๊ฒŒ ํšŒํ™”๋Š” ์‹ฌ๋ฆฌ์น˜๋ฃŒ์™€ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์Œ์†์— ํ’ˆ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฌธ์ œ๋“ค์„ ์ž‘์—…์œผ๋กœ ํ’€์–ด๋‚ด๋ฉด, ์ž‘์—…์ด ๊ทธ์— ๋งž๋Š” ํ•ด๊ฒฐ์ฑ…์„ ๊ฑด๋„ค์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๊ฑฐ์ณ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๊ทธ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์• ์จ ๋ฉ”์šฐ๋ ค ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„๋„ ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋จธ๋ฌผ๋Ÿฌ๋„ ๋˜๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ŒํŒŒ๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„๋„ ๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ž‘์—…์ด ๋งํ•ด ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.



8.

์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์บ”๋ฒ„์Šค๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๋•Œ ๋จผ์ € ์ด๋ฏธ์ง€๊ฐ€ ๋– ์˜ค๋ฅด๋‚˜์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋ชจํ˜ธํ•œ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์ด ๋จผ์ € ์ƒ๊ธฐ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์•ˆ์—์„œ ์ธ๋ฌผ์„ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋‚˜์š”?

์ €๋Š” ๊ณต๊ฐ„๊ณผ ์ธ๋ฌผ์„ ๋”ฐ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ์„œ๋กœ์˜ ์—ฐ์žฅ์„ ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ธ๋ฌผ์ด ์ง€๋‹Œ ์„ ๊ณผ ๋ฉด์ด ์–ด๋–ค ๊ณต๊ฐ„ ์œ„์— ๋†“์ผ ๋•Œ ์ƒ๊ฒจ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์„ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ™”๋ฉด์„ ๊ตฌ์„ฑํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.


9.

๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€ ์ž‘๊ฐ€๋‹˜์˜ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ ์•ž์—์„œ โ€œ์ด ์ธ๋ฌผ์€ ์–ด๋””์— ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ์ธ๊ฐ€์š”, ๊ณต์ค‘์ธ๊ฐ€์š”, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์„ธ๊ณ„์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?โ€๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌป๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‹ต์„ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๋Œ€์‹  ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋จธ๋ฌผ๋Ÿฌ ๋ณด๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋‚˜์š”?

๋จผ์ € ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์ด ์–ด๋””๋ผ๊ณ  ๋А๋ผ๋Š”์ง€๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋‹ค์Œ์—๋Š” ์™œ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋А๊ผˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ฌผ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•˜๋ ค ํ•œ ๊ฐ๊ฐ์„ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ณด๋‹ค, ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์–ด๋–ค ๋А๋‚Œ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜๊ณ  ์™œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋А๋‚Œ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜๋Š”์ง€์— ๋” ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.


10.

๋ถ์ดŒ์—์„œ์˜ ์ฒซ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ „์„ ๋Œ์•„๋ณด๊ณ  ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ค€๋น„ ์ค‘์ธ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ž‘์—…์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณผ ๋•Œ, ์ž‘๊ฐ€๋‹˜์ด ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๊ทธ๋ฆผ์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๋Š” ์‹œ์„ ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์ง„ ์ ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?

์•ž์„  ๋‹ต๋ณ€์— ์ด์–ด์„œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด, โ€˜์‚ฌ์ดโ€™๋ฅผ โ€˜๊ฒฝ๊ณ„โ€™๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ โ€˜์—ฐ๊ฒฐโ€™๋กœ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋œ ์ ์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์˜ค๋žซ๋™์•ˆ ์ œ ์•ˆ์— ํ’ˆ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋˜ ๋ชจ์ˆœ์ ์ธ ๊ฐ์ •๋“ค๊ณผ ์ธ๊ฐ„๊ด€๊ณ„์—์„œ์˜ ๊ณ ๋ฏผ๋“ค์„ ์ด์ „ ์ž‘์—…์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์–ด๋А ์ •๋„ ํ’€์–ด๋‚ด๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋‹ˆ, ์‹œ์„ ์ด ๋” ๋„“์€ ๊ณต๊ฐ„, ๋”๋„“์€ ์„ธ๊ณ„๋กœ ํ™•์žฅ๋œ ๋А๋‚Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ € ์ž์‹ ๊ณผ ์„ธ์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๋Š” ๋ˆˆ์ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๊ธ์ •์ ์ด๊ณ  ๋”ฐ๋œปํ•ด์ง„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

์š”์ฆ˜ ์ €๋Š” ์–‘๊ทน๋‹จ์˜ ๊ธธ ๊ฐ€์šด๋ฐ ์„œ์„œ ์–ด๋””๋กœ ๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ• ์ง€ ๊ณ ๋ฏผํ•˜๋Š” โ€˜์‚ฌ์ดโ€™์— ๋†“์—ฌ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋А๋ผ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋์—†์ด ํŽผ์ณ์ง„ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์—์„œ ์ด๊ณณ๊ณผ ์ €๊ณณ์„์ž‡๋Š” โ€˜์‚ฌ์ดโ€™์— ๋†“์—ฌ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋А๋‚๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋‹ค๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋งŒํžˆ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ์–ด๋А์ƒˆ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋А๋‚Œ์ด ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ท€๋ฅผ ์ฑ„์šฐ๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋žŒ๊ณผ ํŒŒ๋„์†Œ๋ฆฌ, ํฌ๋ฏธํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ด๋Š” ํ•˜๋Š˜๊ณผ ๋ฐ”๋‹ค์˜ ์ˆ˜ํ‰์„ , ์‚ด๊ฒฐ๋กœ ๋А๊ปด์ง€๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋žŒ๊ณผ ๋ฐ”๋‹ค ๋‚ด์Œ. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”๋‹ค์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ทธ ๊ฐ๊ฐ์„ ์ €๋Š” โ€˜์—ฐ๊ฒฐโ€™์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋ถ€๋ฅด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

ENGLISH

1.

You write that you paint โ€œthe state of remaining in betweenโ€ rather than moving in one direction. When did you first notice that this in-between state was your subject, and not just a mood passing through a single painting?

I first realized it while preparing for my first solo exhibition in July 2025.

When I begin a new body of work, I donโ€™t start by deciding on a theme. I pay attention to the sensations Iโ€™m drawn to at that moment. I collect images that keep catching my eye in films or online, and I write down passages from books that stay with me. I place those images and words next to each other and look for a feeling they share. Once I sense it, I stay with it, imagining it and feeling it as I paint.

While I work, I also write down my thoughts from time to time. In those notes I realized that what I was pursuing was closely tied to the word โ€œin-betweenโ€. Finding a word like that feels like finding the last piece of a puzzle. It names thoughts and emotions I had carried for a long time without being able to describe them clearly.

2.

Your path runs from business administration, through design work in the entertainment industry, including album art, to painting full time. How has that route, rather than formal art training, shaped the way you use the canvas?

More than anything, I think it made me freer in the way I use color. Rather than choosing colors by the relationships and theories taught in art education, I choose them according to my emotions. Because of that, my use of color feels freer and has become one of the distinctive features of my work.

3.

In your statement, the figures donโ€™t belong to a fixed place, whether floor, air, or something else. How do you decide, painting by painting, how much ground to give a body and how much to take away?

I donโ€™t want the viewer to know exactly where the figure is. Standing on the ground, lying in the sky, floating on the sea: I prefer not to give a clear answer. I think thatโ€™s because I donโ€™t see space as only physical. I also see it as an extension of consciousness, and the place we are in changes depending on how we experience it.

When I decide how much space to give a figure, the most important thing is the tension within the canvas. I want the spaces that form around the figure to hold different kinds of tension, some calm and stable, others unstable and intense.

4.

You describe the gaze in these paintings as awake, but settled on nothing. Is that gaze yours, the figureโ€™s, or something that exists only between the two of you?

When I wrote that, I was describing the gaze of the figures in the paintings. But I think viewers, myself included, feel something similar as we look at them. Itโ€™s also the kind of gaze I aspire to. I donโ€™t like being fixed in place or attached to a single point. Rather than a gaze trained on one clear destination, Iโ€™m drawn to one that doesnโ€™t fully settle anywhere, yet isnโ€™t vague or absent. It stays awake inwardly.

5.

You write that staying inside instability is what moves you forward, rather than something to resolve. Was there a moment, in the studio or outside it, when you understood that clearly, rather than simply felt it?

It came toward the end of my previous series, Floating in Between. While I was working on it, I had no particular problem, strong emotion, or clear direction, and I spent that time drifting, unable to move toward anything. I kept painting in that state. By the end of the series I had found a new feeling: after drifting for so long, I wanted to put both feet back on the ground and move forward again, wherever that might lead. I also realized that I feel more stable when Iโ€™m moving than when Iโ€™m standing still.

Iโ€™m sure I will keep repeating this cycle of staying, moving, and staying again. Now I think that remaining still isnโ€™t the same as stopping. Itโ€™s a time of preparing to move forward again. I think I realized this while walking through a park near my studio whenever I felt stuck in my work.

6.

From The Thinking People to Walking in Between to Floating in Between, what has changed in how you paint the in-between state? Is it the same sensation in a new place, or is the sensation itself shifting?

I think each series explores a different meaning and range of โ€œin-betweenโ€.

The Thinking People dealt with the most personal and internal kind of in-between. The paintings came from the thoughts and questions that remained unresolved within me.

In Walking in Between, the series where I first became aware of โ€œin-betweenโ€ as a central theme, my focus moved beyond my inner world to the space between myself and the outside. I was thinking about the time I spent inside and outside my studio, and about my relationships with other people.

In Floating in Between, I moved past those everyday questions and painted a state of drifting and simply remaining within that in-between space.

Until then, I had thought of โ€œin-betweenโ€ mainly as a boundary. In the new work Iโ€™m making now, Iโ€™m beginning to see it as a connection instead. The way I look at โ€œin-betweenโ€ itself has changed, and Iโ€™m curious to discover where these paintings will lead me.

7.

You mention working, earlier on, through emotional fractures and the distances that form inside relationships. Do you think of painting as a way to close that distance, or to stay honestly inside it?

For me, painting is very much like therapy. When I bring the problems I carry inside me into my work, painting offers its own kind of answer. After going through many stages, I no longer feel that I have to force myself to close those distances. My work tells me instead that itโ€™s all right to remain there for a while, or even to find another way forward.

8.

When you begin a new canvas, does an image arrive first, or does the ambiguous space come first, with the figure something you find inside it?

I donโ€™t think of the figure and the space as separate. To me, they continue into one another. I enjoy discovering the new spaces that appear when the lines and shapes of a figure are placed within a space, and thatโ€™s how I build a painting.

9.

If someone stood in front of one of these paintings and asked you where the figure is, on the floor, in the air, in another world, what would you want him or her to sit with instead of an answer?

Iโ€™d first want to know where he or she feels the figure is. Then Iโ€™d ask why he or she felt that way. Iโ€™m less interested in explaining what I intended than in hearing what the viewer experienced and why.

10.

Looking back at your first solo show in Bukchon, and forward to your next body of work, what feels most different in how you see your own paintings now?

To continue from my last answer, the biggest change is that I no longer see โ€œin-betweenโ€ as a boundary but as a connection.

After working through many of the contradictory emotions I had carried for so long, and the questions I had about relationships, I feel that my perspective has opened into a much wider space. Perhaps the way I look at myself and the world has also become warmer and more hopeful.

These days I no longer feel that Iโ€™m standing between two opposite paths, trying to decide which way to go. I feel that I exist in the space that connects one place to another within an endless landscape. When I look quietly at the sea, there are moments when I feel I have become part of it. The sound of the wind and the waves fills my ears. The horizon, where sea and sky meet, appears faintly before my eyes. I feel the wind and the scent of the ocean on my skin. In those moments Iโ€™m no longer separate from the sea. That feeling is what I want to call connection.

ยฉ 2026 Hayeon U; Jorge R. G. Sagastume

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